Look, we can debate the proper and private way to do Captchas all day, but if we remove the existing implementation we will be plunged into a world of hurt.

I run tucson.social - a tiny instance with barely any users and I find myself really ticked off at other Admin’s abdication of duty when it comes to engaging with the developers.

For all the Fediverse discussion on this, where are the github issue comments? Where is our attempt to convince the devs in this.

No, seriously WHERE ARE THEY?

Oh, you think that just because an “Issue” exists to bring back Captchas is the best you can do?

NO it is not the best we can do, we need to be applying some pressure to the developers here and that requires EVERYONE to do their part.

The Devs can’t make Lemmy an awesome place for us if us admins refuse to meaningfully engage with the project and provide feedback on crucial things like this.

So are you an admin? If so, we need more comments here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3200

We need to make it VERY clear that Captcha is required before v0.18’s release. Not after when we’ll all be scrambling…

EDIT: To be clear I’m talking to all instance admins, not just Beehaw’s.

UPDATE: Our voices were heard! https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3200#issuecomment-1600505757

The important part was that this was a decision to re-implement the old (if imperfect) solution in time for the upcoming release. mCaptcha and better techs are indeed the better solution, but at least we won’t make ourselves more vulnerable at this critical juncture.

  • HTTP_404_NotFoundA
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    2110 months ago

    We need to make it VERY clear that Captcha is required before v0.18’s release. Not after when we’ll all be scrambling…

    You would honestly be surprised. Captcha isn’t nearly as effective at stopping spam. It only stops the lowest hanging fruit.

    Most of the “spambot” developers, started using AI-based tools a while back.

    It only helps stopping the lowest-hanging of fruit.

    Also, due to the way federation and all works… well, just remember, there are a million ways for spammers to get access currently…

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      410 months ago

      Sure, I agree that the current implementation isn’t the most robust in stopping all conceivable bots. Heck, it’s quite poor as some others have pointed out.

      The reality is, though, that it is currently making a difference for many server admins, now, today.

      Let’s use a convoluted metaphor!

      It’s as if each lemmy instance has some poorly constructed umbrellas (old captcha). Now a storm has arrived (bot signups) and while the umbrella is indeed leaky, but the umbrella operator is not as wet as they would be without it. Now imagine that these magical, auto-upgrading umbrellas receive an update during this storm that removes the fabric entirely while they work on making a less leaky solution. It would be madness right? It’s not about improving on the product, that’s desired and good! It’s about making sure the old way of doing things is there until the newer solution is delivered and present.

      As a user of this “magical umbrella”, I’d be scrambling because the sudden removal of a feature that was working (albeit poorly and imperfectly) doesn’t exist at all anymore. Good thing I have a MUCH bigger umbrella that I pay $$$ for (cloudflare) to set-up in the meantime. However this huge umbrella is too big, and if I don’t cut some holes in it, it’ll be to “dark” to function. So not even this solution is perfect.

      • HTTP_404_NotFoundA
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        510 months ago

        The reality is, though, that it is currently making a difference for many server admins, now, today.

        Don’t hear me wrong- I am not advocating for its removal. I am not saying it’s not currently effective!

        Let’s be perfectly honest, it is THE most effective tool at our disposal currently.

        I am just saying, as this platform explodes in size- since the implementation for the captcha is also open source, it’s only a matter of time before it’s rendered completely inoperable- to where it only stops the easiest attacks.